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Frankenstein by Mary Shelley
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Frankenstein by Mary Shelley


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Obsessed with creating life itself, Victor Frankenstein plunders graveyards for the material to fashion a new being, which he shocks into life with electricity. But his botched creature, rejected by Frankenstein and denied human companionship, sets out to destroy his maker and all that he holds dear. Mary Shelley's chilling Gothic tale was conceived when she was only eighteen, living with her lover Percy Shelley near Byron's villa on Lake Geneva. It would become the world's most famous work of horror fiction, and remains a devastating exploration of the limits of human creativity.


It's a classic! It's popularly considered the invention of science fiction and modern horror! It's the work of an intelligent, exiled, desperately lonely teenage girl! It has never had what I would call a faithful cinematic adaptation. Whether you're here for a first read or a reread or just want to talk about it, you're welcome to celebrate #FRANKENSTEINFEBRUARY. (Thanks Bee for sparking this. xD)


This is a discussion thread for people who have read or are reading the book in question. With that in mind, there are likely to be spoilers throughout. However, in the event of major twists or “how it ends”, please wrap content in spoiler tags.

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HELLO. I am going to basically liveblog/recap my thoughts as I go, as an interesting experiment in ‘I haven’t sat down and read this in a decade since I studied it at school’, although I have read a lot more ~around it now, contextually. It isn’t my favourite classic, but I do think it is one of the most daring and revolutionary novels of the era. And the Shelleys, obviously, are my favourite people of all time.

I’m reading the 1818 text, if anyone cares. xD

PREFACE

OKAY. OKAY. This is more powerful when the themes become more apparent, but that Mary dedicated this book to her father (WHO CAST HER OUT!!!) murders me.

Mary casually invents the concept of “science-fiction” by trying to do something, instead of straight gothic supernatural, that has its roots in the cutting edge of science at the time. I also love that there is this ‘creation myth’ developed for the creation myth that she wrote... the ‘Summer of 1816, Geneva’ is essentially the most legendary spooky sleepover ever, when you remember all these kids were Youths. So anyway, they task everyone with writing a scary story, and while Percy Shelley and Byron fuck around scaring themselves shitless about “women with eyes instead of nipples on their breasts”, and no one cares about Dr. Polidori and step-sister Claire didn’t even get to play, Mary delivers.

THE LETTERS

AND SO WE BEGIN... LETTER ONE with a cheeky polar explorer, as yet unrelated to the main ~Frankenstein plot. Robert Walton is writing letters back to his sister in England while he heads off to the far north. (This is also very sci-fi for the era, because polar exploration was as extreme and unknown as people going into space. People thought there was an ‘Open Polar Sea’ once you broke past the ice with a tropical climate and a way straight across to the opposite side of the globe. The poles were also mythologised as a ~spooky, spiritual, godless place. Think Coleridge’s Rime of the Ancient Mariner.)

Anyway, Robert Walton is a romantic and a Romantic about the north, and has delusions of being a hero or a god or whatever, about ~going beyond the limit. He tried to be a poet first and didn’t get famous, so obvs this was Plan B.

LETTER TWO: Also he’s pretty alone in the world and just wishes he had a cool kindred spirit who would understand these desires. Oh wait...

(LETTER THREE: All well.)

LETTER FOUR: Stuck in the ice and they rescue a man on a sledge! Man gets wrapped in blankets and fed soup, aww, and confesses he’s chasing after someone who’s fleeing from him. Walton doesn’t ask questions about the weird cryptic things he says, but immediately begins to love him as a brother. ‘He must have been a noble creature in his better days, being even now in wreck so attractive and amiable.’ (Sure you don’t have a little crush, Walton?)

Walton continues to wax poetic about how intelligent and pitiful and eloquent and adorable and miserable this random guy is. Random guy gives off manic-depressive vibes. They chat about True FriendshipTM. Random man has been through too much, doesn’t deserve a new friend now. Walton calls him a ‘divine wanderer’. He’s totally in love.

On August 19th Random Man finally decides to share his story of woe with poor patient pining Captain Walton. Walton is going to jot it all down in a manuscript, because in this era in fiction authors loved a good in-universe explanation for why the story is getting told lol.



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CHAPTER I

— Great brief depiction of the descent into depression (Beaufort re:poverty/unemployment). Mary suffered from bouts of depression her whole life (although especially after writing this novel and the death of her children). Also gives off vibes of her own father’s situation.
— “No creature could have more tender parents than mine.” The irony! Victor understood parenting too late!
— Hello to the classic trope of hoping your poor orphan ward will marry their adopted brother/sister. This happens too often in period lit to be weird. (ALTHOUGH gothic as a trope does love incest as a taboo.)
— Clerval was always my fave character in this book! <3
— The kids’ learning through play!! Study not being made odious to them through punishment! Mary’s mother wrote so much incredibly modern-sounding stuff about educating children according to their own individual needs/natures, I would bet Mary was inspired by her mother’s work. (Her mother didn’t live to raise her herself.)
— on Agrippa: “it is sad trash.” lol.
— Young Victor trying to raise devils and learn esoteric science is delightful.

CHAPTER II

— Liked the line “why should I describe a sorrow which all have felt, and must feel?” re: grief.
— (my spotify daylist “dreamy cinnamon tuesday evening” is playing Switzerland - Soccer Mommy, very appropriate for the setting lol)
— The women in this are (as society expects them to be) very self-sacrificial and selfless. (Victor = all ego.)
— I do feel for Victor having that embarrassing moment with his university professor where the professor echoes that “stop reading sad old trash” conversation. Victor takes it well but I’d have dropped out then and there.
— You get the feeling Victor kind of likes being the loner/outcast/rebel a little bit though. He’s ~stifled by convention.
— Y’all should know Percy Shelley dabbled in chemistry and spent his time at Eton and Oxford doing weird experiments and blowing up his bedroom.

CHAPTER III

— This is just the importance of finding a good teacher really. Finding the professor you really gel with is as good as finding your soulmate. I get it.
— I have just realised he’s said ardour/ardent like three times on one page :') Guess I know where I get it from.
— Gah I love the bit about him studying death and decay!! Also the way he says “forced to spend” his time digging around in graveyards. Sure, buddy. Who forced you? (He’s just a slave to the ~pursuit)
— Here’s the moral of the tale, ~his story is a warning~, etc
— Victor contemplates what form to give life to, doesn’t want to start small, decides to run before he can walk.
— “Too fiddly to put his parts together if he’s small. I’ll just make him 8 feet tall, it’ll be fine.” His logic <3 “Proportionably large”... just wondering how many dead men’s dicks he considered in this process? Hoping Guillermo Del Toro will entertain this question in the new movie.
— Conceive. Bear. Labour. Confinement. Past!me was obsessed with the birth/creation words in use here. Writing a novel is also a similar act of creation. (And Mary’s mother died from complications giving birth to her, so this feels Loaded.)
— Okay but why is the “Victor Frankenstein Has a Hyperfixation” sequence so relatable??



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CHAPTER IV - VIII

— I have no thoughts, I’m just delighted by Clerval always.
— I also watched Lisa Frankenstein in conjunction with this, which was pretty funny.
— Re: Victor’s little brother William. At the point of writing Mary had a baby boy William (nickname: Wilmouse) who died (I think?) just a little while after Frankenstein was published. He was the third child she’d lost in the early years. I: am sad.
— Annotations from teenage me. “VF is an idiot.” That’s fair.
— Justineeee — I don’t think I gave Elizabeth nearly enough credit as a kid. I like her standing up in court. “When I see a fellow-creature about to perish through the cowardice of her pretended friends, I wish to be allowed to speak, that I may say what I know of her character.” (How much would a young Mary have wished that someone in England would stand up for her when she was alone with a reputation in tatters?? Even her father wouldn’t support her! This is actually making me think about William Godwin = Victor Frankenstein parallels more than anything. Take responsibility for your offspring sir!! Stop being a coward!)
— “The tortures of the accused did not equal mine.” <--- Ya you know when someone’s wrongly condemned to death and you feel WAY WORSE about it bc you’re guilty? OKAY DRAMA QUEEN. Maybe get fucked.
— No, he just doubles down on it.

VOL II: CHAPTER I - II

— Victor’s entering his Macbeth era, driven mad by his guilt.
— Do love the “let me float in my sailboat on the lake all night” approach to dealing with it tho xD I wonder who Mary got this idea from
— Nature, mountains, scenery... the classic Romanticism/gothic vibe, nature that is beautiful and sublime and terrifying <3 Also Victor decides to take a hike to outrun his problems. Good luck mate.
— The verse she quotes here is her husband’s tehehe.
— “Begone, vile insect!” he’s ridiculous. Ofc the creature is the more eloquent/reasonable/sympathetic.
— THIS IS A LINE I NEVER FORGOT. “But if you refuse, I will glut the maw of death, until it be satiated with the blood of your remaining friends.” GLUT THE MAW OF DEATH. Ugh, love.
— also: “life, although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and I will defend it.” <3
— Major Paradise Lost vibes.

VOL II: CHAPTER III - VII

— The monster’s story! Starting life off pitifully like an abandoned baby and talking about the “barbarity of man” until he finds the domestic scenes at the cottage. He learns about music and poverty and generosity and kindness, and finds out he’s kind/selfless/good too! He’s like their little guardian angel.
— He seeks knowledge and discovery the same way Victor does. (Godlike science/ardently desired to become acquainted with it.)
— I love the paragraphs where the monster tries to grapple with the question of human nature (“Was man, indeed, so...”) and injustice in the world.
— Seeing a lot of her mother’s influence on the cottagers’ story (Paris/Safie/imprisonments and executions/etc). Her mother lived alone in Paris through the Terror! Also parallels to the Justine storyline. Also Turks as treacherous villains - Big Byron Energy there for sure.
— The monster gets! some! books! The effects of literature to an outcast <3
— And then he finds Victor’s journal, welp.
— When he tries to seek friendship from them finally. GAH. PAAAAIN.



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VOL II: CHAPTER VIII - IX

— Love the changing of the seasons as the monster loses hope and endures a winter of the soul.
— Now the monster has finished recounting his story and makes his request. An Eve for his Adam!
— “My food is not that of man...” HE’S A VEGETARIAN. This is so Percy’s influence, poster boy for vegetarianism in the early 1800s.
— I have to say I love how the novel slides between the minds of creator and created so smoothly: they’re opposites, they’re doubles, they’re eerily similar beings capable of love and destruction etc.

VOL III

— Laying in the bottom of a boat is another big Percy Shelley mood.
— His anguish at remembering Clerval’s spirit/memory is great ~foreshadowing of events yet to be explained.
— Mary’s mother had some modest success with some travelogue-style fiction, which is what the ~travelling to England section is reminding me of.
— “But I am a blasted tree”. Victor is a wrecked soul.
— “Doomed to live.” Love this sentiment, and the allure of death as an escape and a release after all the devastation he has wrought.
— On his release, the dude that says “He may be innocent of the murder, but he has certainly a bad conscience.” SO CORRECT MY MAN.
— You know he’s really losing it now because all he can talk about is dreams / nightmares / needing laudanum to sleep. The paranoia! The heightened gothic madness of his brain!
— Justine “was as innocent as I” STFU VICTOR. You’re delusional.
— Elizabeth deserves better. D<
— Okay lmfao I forgot that Victor tells a magistrate the whole story. AFTER coming out of a mental institution. And you think that will help?? The ego of this man astounds me.
— Mmm devoted to each other’s destruction. ‘Til death do them part. Etc etc it’s dramatic and wretched and never would have happened if they had just been boyfriends or something.
— God I love the monster taunting him by leaving marks and messages on trees and laughing in his ear and ~disappearing, phantom-like. Haunt him, bby.
— Spotify play a spooky version of I Will Follow You Into The Dark.
— Walton is such a dumbass that he wants to know how the creature was made? NO DUDE DID YOU NOT HEAR THE MORAL WARNING IN THIS TALE OR WHAT?
— ‘“Since you have preserved my narration,” said he, “I would not that a mutilated one should go down in history.”’ @Lady and the meta irony of all Frankenstein adaptations being mutilated versions of this story!!!
— “Can any man be to me as Clerval was; or any woman another Elizabeth?” yeah yeah i know he’s talking about siblings and childhood friendships in this bit but just saying: #bisexualdisaster
— “the fallen angel becomes a malignant devil.” Re: the monster’s last speech... wow I guess I read them together in high school but I don’t think I ever drew the monster/Heathcliff (Wuthering Heights) parallels the way I could have. They live out the same revenge!saga after being loathed and rejected. I’m having Thoughts and Ideas about this.
— And of course I’m tragically, emphatically sorry for the monster until the end. “I shall no longer see the sun or stars” he’s making me cry. The end. D:



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