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[SPOILER HEAVY]: Crimes of Grindelwald Discussion
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(November 18, 2018 – 1:26 AM)Naeva Lécuyer Wrote:
(November 18, 2018 – 1:07 AM)Aldous Crouch Wrote: — The...fire...dragon? was garbage and I would have rather had a good old fashioned duel. There was a lot of ~social stuff going on without an OTT magical spectacle with no real stakes, IMO.

I was thinking Fiendfyre, tbh. Think about it. Magical beasties made out of fire.

I just think that there's a line between "fantastic" and "let's just throw in ALL THE MAGIC and see what sticks" and that bit hit the latter. Examples of them hitting the former include the packing up of the circus (LOVED) and the boggart in class (ALSO LOVED)
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(November 18, 2018 – 1:07 AM)Aldous Crouch Wrote: — If "Aurelius" isn't a ruse (my immediate reaction was "ew wtf" but I could see myself warming to it depending on how it's framed next film) then I think it would be a fun twist if he was the Dubledore to kill Grindelwald and Albus just takes the credit.

This was something I also considered!

Quote:— Leta was fabulous but I understand neither the IC or OOC reason for her death, so there's that.

I keep trying to search for/remember the poem that everyone used to justify why they believed Credence to be Corvus and thought it might explain it away?

Quote:— WHAT EVEN WAS LETA'S JOB?

She was an assistant to the Head of the Dept. MLE, if I remember? I either heard it or read it somewhere :P



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I'm so happy that more and more of us Charmers are seeing it so we can all chit-chat. I agree with Kayte that if it isn't just a ruse that I'm gonna have a hard time warming up to Credence as a Dumbledore because of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Though I do adore Credence, so that might help me to warm up to this plot twist.

Jude Law as young Dumbledore was amazing. That series would be amazing. If we don't get a series, I really hope we do seem more of him in the next films. The younger versions of were awesome, the actors did very well portraying young versions of the characters that we've come to know and love. Kayte, you do have a good point with the British aurors having so much weight in France. As I think about it, it does feel pretty out of place if we're thinking realistically.

Grindelwald's speech was scary in how convincing it was. Queenie's choices in the film were so IC accurate honestly. I liked it, it didn't seem out of place like in some other movies that kinda do the same thing with good people joining the villain. Leta's death made more sense to me IC than OOC. I would have loved to see more adult development with her though. Hopefully we will get flashbacks with her or something. I assume that she was also an auror, but could possibly be part of another branch of the Ministry.

I adored the cat creatures in that scene, but they could have been introduced in a more creative way rather than with that creepy lady. We already got Umbridge for creepy cat lady, couldn't we have a nice cat lady that just happened to have dangerous guard cats? At least make said guardian of cat creatures to be less creepy or something.


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I have a number of thoughts, some more substantial than others, which I will marshall at a later date but just a PSA that I am shook by the thought of Vinda Rosier and Queenie's relationship as Big G's chief henchwomen. Just a cheerful flapper with a big heart and a French bitch with an amazing hat hanging out in a massive castle, drinking tea from an insistent teapot, maybe opening a pâtisserie together when all of this is over...


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I thoroughly enjoyed this! My immediate thought about Aurelius was - WTF JK JUST ADDS TO CANON AGAIN - and then wondered if it was somehow possible that he was Ariana Dumbledore's son, but I've looked at the timeline and she dies in 1899 and he's born in 1901 according to the wiki, so not possible. OR he really is Corvus and Leta was on Grindelwald's side this whole time, lied about it all and sacrificed herself as part of his schemes.

I needed more NEWT adorableness but at least we got some good things out of a darker movie. Did not like Depp as Grindelwald, but what can you do. Jude Law was OUTSTANDING and I fangirl squealed over McGonagall.

Queenie switching sides hurt my soul.


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(November 19, 2018 – 2:42 AM)Prudence Browne Wrote: I thoroughly enjoyed this! My immediate thought about Aurelius was - WTF JK JUST ADDS TO CANON AGAIN - and then wondered if it was somehow possible that he was Ariana Dumbledore's son, but I've looked at the timeline and she dies in 1899 and he's born in 1901 according to the wiki, so not possible. OR he really is Corvus and Leta was on Grindelwald's side this whole time, lied about it all and sacrificed herself as part of his schemes.

I needed more NEWT adorableness but at least we got some good things out of a darker movie. Did not like Depp as Grindelwald, but what can you do. Jude Law was OUTSTANDING and I fangirl squealed over McGonagall.

Queenie switching sides hurt my soul.

Alternatively, what if he was Ariana Dumbeldore's daughter and she didn't die when Albus thought she did? What if she was like Credence in that she escaped?



jk but really, there's probably some convoluted explanation that J.K. Rowling is prepared to hit us with in the third movie.



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ALSO ALL THE APPARITION KIDNAPPING GUYS I LOVED ALL OF IT


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My 2 knuts
-I was irked by the Thestral prison carriage at the start - why not portkey, or sidelong - it seems much less secure to load him in a carriage.

- Credence isn't a Dumbledore, Grindelwald just needs someone powerful who can kill Dumbie for him and making him a Dumbledore would do that, although I think Dumbie will offer him a family, and the name, if he wants it in the next film - I have fingers crossed for Aberforth to show up at some stage.

- Credence is a L'Estrange- or will take on the name - there has to be another one knocking about somewhere. Leta can't have been the last and it has to be a boy.

I think what kinda freaked me out was that Grindelwald isn't wrong! He told his followers that if wizards didn't take over there would be another world war - there was - he isn't lying. So now I'm wondering if he genuinely thinks he's doing right by the world and what's in the best interest of muggles and wizards, or if it's all a cynical plot. It would be very easy to fall for this speech, especially given how devastating the first world war was to Europe.

I was SHOCKED that I liked Jude Law as Dumbledore so much -I dont think I've liked him in any other film he's done, but he is delightful as Dumbeldore - perfect in fact. I dont think it could have been better cast.
I do think Depp is too old to be Grindlewald, especially since he and Dumbledore had been in some kind of romantic relationship there is more than 10 years between them as actors - and they looked it - also...FORK Johnny Depp and his abusive ass.

I loved all the magical creatures featured, and would really like a film that's just Newt being Magical David Attenborough - even a short - because those were adorable.

I also Feel SUPER sorry for Nagini , and I think if she had found another parselmouth she wouldn't have fallen in with Voldie. There must be nothing more isolating than a human brain trapped in a mute, unemotive body.


RE: the date discrepancies
Apparently the published screenplay of the film shows some retconning went on, and it could be interpreted that he could be a Dumbledore who was born the year Kendra died, and the ship wreck was 1901, so the dates could work. - but I agree Grindy is lying so its all moot!!

McGonnegall - I think it was meant to be her, she is credited as Minerva, so I think she's meant to be older than she appears in the first films.
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(November 19, 2018 – 4:28 PM)Benevolence Montague Wrote: -I was irked by the Thestral prison carriage at the start - why not portkey, or sidelong - it seems much less secure to load him in a carriage.

It was definitely less secure. Also how in the heck did Grindelwald pull THAT off!?! The whole thing!! It's very clear he was under close watch in the prison, which makes me wonder - how did they pull off the swap? How did that random guy bring in Polyjuice? Just. How?!?!?!?!

(November 19, 2018 – 4:28 PM)Benevolence Montague Wrote: I think what kinda freaked me out was that Grindelwald isn't wrong! He told his followers that if wizards didn't take over there would be another world war - there was - he isn't lying. So now I'm wondering if he genuinely thinks he's doing right by the world and what's in the best interest of muggles and wizards, or if it's all a cynical plot. It would be very easy to fall for this speech, especially given how devastating the first world war was to Europe.

I was most shocked at the relatively accurate depiction of WWII. Including the mushroom cloud. This means one of two things. Either that damned skull hookah is a device which can accurately predict the future, or Grindelwald's a seer hiding his abilities by making it look like the skull hookah is doing the things.

(November 19, 2018 – 4:28 PM)Benevolence Montague Wrote: I loved all the magical creatures featured, and would really like a film that's just Newt being Magical David Attenborough - even a short - because those were adorable.

All of this. I want my own Zoumu. GIANT FLUFFEH KITTEH! :D

*clears throat*

I want one.



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