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RE: line without a hook - Victor Daphnel - August 6, 2022
Any hopes that he might truly be interested in her answer died when she said it was about a debutante. He supposed it was probably natural for young women to want to read fiction they could insert themselves into, but he didn't read that sort of thing and didn't intend to. He could have feigned interest and asked her some other questions about the book, but given their earlier conversational turn he thought his disinterest might be too obvious. She was apparently vigilant enough to sniff him out when he stopped paying attention to what she was saying. He wasn't sure whether that was a mark in her favor or not.
"Do you enjoy travel yourself?" he asked instead.
RE: line without a hook - Octavia Fawley - August 6, 2022
"Oh yes!" she chipped, immensely please to have a topic she could truly talk about without desperately digging down into just sorta making stuff up. She smiled lightly, for the first time the whole conversation, a genuine smile that lit up her face rather than just a fake ome put on for appearance. "I have not traveled much in the past years - outside of a very ill fated venture with a sinking ship - but when I was younger my family used to travel to China every summer until by older sister debuted. I miss it and traveling very much. One day, once I marry I think I'd like to travel once again. Not just to see family but just go to go."
"Have you been anywhere? Or have places you want to go?"
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RE: line without a hook - Victor Daphnel - August 6, 2022
Victor was glad he'd changed the subject; this was something they could apparently both talk about, which was a relief after so many false starts. "My family traveled when I was younger, too. All sorts of places that one wouldn't expect, due to my father's various academic interests. I didn't go anywhere conventional until after I graduated Hogwarts," he explained. He'd never had a proper tour of the continent as some young men did, since he'd decided to pick up a career right out of Hogwarts and had been devoted to it ever since. Still, he'd had plenty of time and money to explore things in shorter stints. When he'd been a member of Excalibur he'd had a few friends from the club that had staged weekend trips to various places, and he'd always been first in line for those short sprees.
"I've plans to spend my birthday this year in Greece," he continued. When he remembered how he'd framed the trip to his mother, he grew momentarily pensive. This was the last big trip he intended to take before he married, if all went according to plan; the next time he left the country he presumed it would be for his honeymoon. "It's a funny twist of our society that women have so much more freedom to travel after they marry, while men have so much less," he pointed out.
RE: line without a hook - Octavia Fawley - August 6, 2022
A childhood traveling sounded amazing. Like her summers but all year round? Seeing all corners of the world. It sounded like a dream. Like something you heard in a story. "Where all did you go? What was it like?" Tavie questioned, head twisted to the side as she watched him. "Oh your birthday? Well that sounds fun, Greece, I mean. I've heard it is absolutely gorgeous. And I think it would be interesting to see so many of the birthplaces of all the Greek Mythology."
She startled at his last comment, taking a second to think about what he said before she answered. She thought about The Santa Antonina and how even after knowning she'd be traveling with her sister and Diana's husband, she'd still only been allowed to go when Miss W and another maid had come along to act as chaperones. Once she married, literally the next day, she could have hopped on that boat, by herself if she wanted to, and no one would have blinked an eye. But if her husband went on trips without her all the time, well people would talk.
"You say that like your future wife wouldn't like to travel either," Octavia Rose offered, though she knew what he meant. (Well not really, she knew what she thought he meant, in reality he probably meant something far more rakish.)
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RE: line without a hook - Victor Daphnel - August 11, 2022
"Oh, no," Victor replied with a careless shrug. He assumed whoever he married would like travel just fine. He'd never met anyone who admitted to hating travel, though presumably some must exist. In any case, if they did exist, he had no intentions of finding and marrying them.
"I only meant it becomes more difficult logistically," he continued. "A single man can afford to be spontaneous on occasion, while a man with a family cannot. Travel becomes more of an ordeal the more children one has to bring along."
RE: line without a hook - Octavia Fawley - August 11, 2022
At his statement, her nose abruptly crinkled. She, like many upper class women, knew she'd have children. She, in a sense liked children, after all, she doted on her nephew all the time. But, she, like many upper class women, had no interest in children as more than a trophy until they were far older. And despite having traveled with her parents it wasn't a technicality she'd thought about with her own, future, rhetorical children.
"Well if one marries young enough, you could always travel after you marry before you have a family. And even if you have children, surely you'd bring their nanny and governess along. It isn't as if you'd have to mind them alk the time, right?"
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RE: line without a hook - Victor Daphnel - August 11, 2022
Victor was amused by her reaction, and his expression showed it. "No, you certainly don't have to mind them all the time, but you do have to house them," he pointed out playfully. Perhaps this would be less of a problem if he confined his travels to only the typical tourist destinations, where hotels were bound to be plentiful and usually large. For the sorts of places the Daphnels had gone when Victor was a child, accommodating a family of six wasn't always easy. It was quite understandable that once they'd reached Hogwarts age as a collective, father had stopped taking them along for his various travels.
"And anyway, I don't imagine there will be much of a window between my marriage and my having children," he continued carelessly, to her earlier point. Why wait? Having children was at least half the point of getting married in the first place.
RE: line without a hook - Octavia Fawley - August 11, 2022
This time she blinked, stunned. "Ohh..." Well, she hadn't ever been known for her impeccable sense of logic. "We always stayed with family growing up but I suppose that wouldn't always work." Really, she only had family here and a few scattered cities throughout China. Unless her husband had a large extended family it wouldn't work at all. Assuming she'd lucked out and married someone even interested in travel. If she didn't... well, she'd probably never leave unless he died.
"Maybe so but maybe not. I mean, I haven't heard anything about your father being in poor health. You have time. Do what you want to before you can't."
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RE: line without a hook - Victor Daphnel - August 11, 2022
Victor shook his head with the attitude of a mentor gently correcting a pupil who had made a silly mistake. "The thing about that — every year I get older and the marriageable women don't," he pointed out. Of course, larger age gaps were acceptable for men. It wasn't uncommon to see a man in his forties or fifties or even older marrying a woman who had barely broken twenty. After having thought it through from his sister's perspective recently, though, Victor knew he didn't want that sort of dynamic for his future marriage. He didn't expect to love his wife, necessarily, but he did expect to be able to leave certain responsibilities to her when it came to running the household and managing the family's social calendar. He couldn't marry someone he viewed as a child.
"And anyway. I promised my mother I'd handle the matter before she needed to worry over it," he added with a chuckle.
RE: line without a hook - Octavia Fawley - August 11, 2022
"I meant having kids," Tavie corrected, letting her hands fall against her sides and looking away for a moment, out to the crowd again in her first moment of relaxation in the whole conversation. "I don't think it would be bad - to travel with your spouse I mean. A sense of companionship with you in a strange place. Something familiar when it all feels new and odd." She smiled, closing her eyes for a moment as she pictured some imaginary future in her head.
"I get it though, mothers worry, that's all. Mother does the same for me. As she did my sister. I know it made her reast much easier when Di was married. Your's likely would to knowing you have someone."
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RE: line without a hook - Victor Daphnel - August 11, 2022
Victor reflected on this briefly. "Mothers worry more about their daughters than their sons, I think," he commented. At least, that seemed to be true in his household. Perhaps it was because the pressure for a woman to succeed in life was condensed into such a short time frame, comparatively. Men had their entire twenties to decide what they would make of themselves, and begin down that path. Women who didn't make a match in a handful of seasons were stained by failure even if they did eventually marry, so it was necessary to make each of those moments count.
On the other hand, maybe it only seemed that way to him because Beatrice was worth considerably more worry than all the boys in the family combined. Victor prided himself on having been a model son to his parents, but even his less-ideal younger brothers had never caused their mother half as much grief as Bea managed to do on a monthly basis during the social season.
"But it does always seem the mother's lot to worry," he acknowledged with a shrug. If his own father was any indication, at any rate... Vincent Daphnel did little more these days than return letters within a few weeks, which could hardly be construed as worrying. "I can understand why a young woman might see some appeal in staving off the arrival of children."
(He was still quite decided that there would be no waiting for children, once he married).
RE: line without a hook - Octavia Fawley - August 11, 2022
Well, it was only natural a mother might worry over her daughter more when a daughter's failure happened far sooner, impacted her sisters, and resulted in a lifetime of supporting her financially. If a man didn't marry... well, he was just odd unles he was the heir.
She frowned, unsure if he was implying she wouldn't do her job when she married. That it was a personal attack or just a broad statement. "You yourself pointed out some of the appeals to waiting," she said with with a shrug. Really, she didn't mind either way. She'd traveled as a kid, and knew plenty of parents who'd leave the youngest ones home or travel while they were away at Hogwarts. It wasn't like it was as impossible as he made it aound. "If you don't want to wait, you can always travel once they go to Hogwarts like your father does!
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RE: line without a hook - Victor Daphnel - August 11, 2022
Victor sighed and shook his head with half a smile, his attitude somewhere between amused and condescending. "There are appeals to becoming a pirate, but that doesn't mean any responsible gentleman would do so," he replied. If he was living life based only on his own whims, he wouldn't be marrying yet at all; he still felt he had plenty of good bachelor years at his disposal. There was a generally acceptable window for men to marry, however, and a good deal of it had to do with what he'd mentioned earlier about what a narrow age range young women were considered marriageable in. A man could reasonably take his second or third wife when he was past fifty, but no one would argue it was acceptable to wait that long to claim the first one. A man's life was less scripted than a woman's, perhaps, but there was still a procession to be followed: establish oneself professionally and socially; take a wife; have children. These all followed in a neat line, one after another, and Victor didn't intend to deviate from the plan for his own amusement. Not when doing so was liable to cause his mother undue worry.
RE: line without a hook - Octavia Fawley - August 26, 2022
Her head cocked to the side, confused how they gotten on to pirates. One was slightly unconventional and the other was... illegal. It wasn't like you could just replace - oh she didn't know - the egg in a quiche with something else and still call it a quiche. Just because you could compare it, didn't make it a valid comparison and for someone who seemed so prided on his intelligence, it seemed an odd logical fallacy. It was like nothing she could come up with to suggest was good enough and between that and the way he made her feel stupid, she was starting to get fed up with the conversation.
"You could always marry someone younger." She offered, as a last-ditch effort before noting that the song was coming to a close. She'd had a name written down for the next waltz, having left this one blank to provide her a break. Tavie smiled then, more of a cut-and-paste smile than the sincere one from earlier. "If you will pardon me please, I would hate to leave my next partner waiting."