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    Underage Wizarding License
    #1
    So... I know that witches and wizards aren't technically allowed to practice magic outside of school until they're seventeen, but what about the witches and wizards who graduate with their OWLs? While not every job requires the use of a wand, I'm assuming some (Mediwizards, Obliviators, DAMC employees, and probably some in RCMC) need the ability to use their wands outside of school.

    What would be your thoughts on these witches and wizards getting an Underage Wizarding License, which enables them to use magic outside of school? It could even function more like a Learner's Permit where they can only use their wands while on the job (and the Trace Charm would still function as a checker for that).

    Thanks!

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    There is already a thing for that.
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    #3
    +1 Emma, but on a related but similar note:

    What is our policy for teaching magic to people who aren't in Hogwarts? Are private tutors allowed to have their underage students use magic, and if so is it only when they are physically present or would they be able to assign "homework"?

    Asking for a recently attacked fourteen year old friend, but it's also relevant for Ophelia's history since she left school prior to her OWLs and I've just danced around having to talk about it and hoped it wasn't weird that she could do magic relatively well :P
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    #4
    From a period perspective, I'd have said private tutors were a thing, it would have been super common in the period to be tutored at home, so if your family could afford a magical governess I would have thought it would have been allowed.

    Perhaps only going up to the school to sit exams? or foregoing exams altogether. So like a well bred lady who doesnt need exams but might want to know magic would be taught at home because she will never need formal qualifications.
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    (08-14-2017, 06:29 AM)Tristan Michaud Wrote: There is already a thing for that.

    Awesome! Thank you, Emma~ <3 I didn't even think to dig through the Prophet articles. x_x;

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    (08-14-2017, 09:34 AM)Ginevra Blackwood Wrote: Perhaps only going up to the school to sit exams? or foregoing exams altogether. So like a well bred lady who doesnt need exams but might want to know magic would be taught at home because she will never need formal qualifications.

    We don't allow those not at Hogwarts to sit any exams!

    @Ophelia Dippet I feel like it's just something that's not allowed but is assumed to be done anyway, since the trace can only pinpoint a dwelling, not the individual inside it!

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    #7
    @Odira Potter That's what I more or less figured with Ophelia, but Topaz isn't the sort to go rule breaking so if no one specifically tells her she can practice her spells that wand is going to get mighty dusty. :P

    EDIT: Also re: Exams, I think other people have referenced that privately schooled folks could take proficiency exams with the DME in order to prove proficiency prior to applying for a job--like getting a GED instead of a high school diploma. IDK if that's official site canon though!
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    (08-14-2017, 10:06 AM)Ophelia Dippet Wrote: EDIT: Also re: Exams, I think other people have referenced that privately schooled folks could take proficiency exams with the DME in order to prove proficiency prior to applying for a job--like getting a GED instead of a high school diploma. IDK if that's official site canon though!

    We've never allowed (or been asked, frankly xD) homeschooled people to work at the Ministry or hospitals. Presumably other employers could set their own standards.

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    (08-14-2017, 10:20 AM)Odira Potter Wrote: We've never allowed (or been asked, frankly xD) homeschooled people to work at the Ministry or hospitals. Presumably other employers could set their own standards.

    No exams would make sense from the perspective that if you are being tutored at home chances are you are so rich you wont need a job, and standard exams wern't really a thing in the period and wern't really introduced until 1914, or so.

    I always sort of considered the OWL's and NEWTs of this period, more like apprenticeship levels than like testing as we know it now, since it's only needed for certain jobs, isnt compulsary and isnt needed unless you intend to be a specialist. In much the same way people training for the clergy, or law, during the period did exams but they wouldn't really be considered what we would expect from a modern perspective to qualify them for that job.
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    I always thought that people could sit OWLs and NEWTs outside of Hogwarts, just as long as they paid whatever fee there is to sit them. Sort of like... Bob is 30 and he studied really hard so he could maybe get his OWLs. We have an examinations department and stuff, so why now? I know two ladies at uni who sat the school admission exams in their 30s/40s. They didn't go back to high school, they just studied the subjects they'd be examined in and sat the exams.

    That being said, I don't know how the British schooling system works and OWLs/NEWTs are based off of them. If they have second chance schools and you could sit the same exams as a high school student then we could say it happens on here?

    And of course it wouldn't be THAT easy to get it independently. Obviously at Hogwarts you're doing the classes with teachers and such, whereas independently you'd have to do it on your own, so you'd either have to be wealthy enough to get tutors, or study REALLY REALLY hard just so you can get an A.

    //feel free to ignore me, just throwing my 2 cents in xD
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    (08-14-2017, 11:28 AM)Ellory Pendergast Wrote: I always thought that people could sit OWLs and NEWTs outside of Hogwarts, just as long as they paid whatever fee there is to sit them. Sort of like... Bob is 30 and he studied really hard so he could maybe get his OWLs. We have an examinations department and stuff, so why now? I know two ladies at uni who sat the school admission exams in their 30s/40s. They didn't go back to high school, they just studied the subjects they'd be examined in and sat the exams.

    That being said, I don't know how the British schooling system works and OWLs/NEWTs are based off of them. If they have second chance schools and you could sit the same exams as a high school student then we could say it happens on here?

    And of course it wouldn't be THAT easy to get it independently. Obviously at Hogwarts you're doing the classes with teachers and such, whereas independently you'd have to do it on your own, so you'd either have to be wealthy enough to get tutors, or study REALLY REALLY hard just so you can get an A.

    //feel free to ignore me, just throwing my 2 cents in xD

    I would say that it probably true of Modern times, but in the Vict period people couldn't wait to get out of school, and education was an impediment to earning for anyone below Upper MC, because being forced to be in school until you were 14/15 meant you wernt earning. For most jobs it was better to be out of school and working as an apprentice than in a classroom.

    a boy who entered a mill in the carding room at 6, became a spinner, and worked his way up could be a foreman and cusping on upper LC, Lower MC, by the time he was 35 (now he'd be dead by 40 form fluff on his lungs) but staying in school until you were 15, for most people, held back your career by 10 + years.

    Even in this game - you don't need OWLs/NEWT's for most ministry jobs so Department of Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures needs 10 years to be head of department, which means you can stay in school until your NEWTS, or you can leave after your first year at Hogwarts and work your way up and still potentially make head of department ahead of those who stayed in school
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    (08-14-2017, 11:48 AM)Viola Orsino Wrote: Even in this game - you don't need OWLs/NEWT's for most ministry jobs

    We actually require OWLs for all but secretary/welcome witch/PIS/maintenance, but I agree with your statements otherwise ;)
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    #13
    I thought you needed OWLs for all of the Ministry positions barring, like, the security man and cleaner?

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    #14
    I have always headcanoned that the reason private tutuoring isn't much of a thing on board for 11+ year olds is because of the prestige of Hogwarts. For example, in canon when they brought in the Hogwarts express:
    Quote:Many pure-blood families were outraged at the idea of their children using Muggle transport, which they claimed was unsafe, insanitary and demeaning; however, as the Ministry decreed that students either rode the train or did not attend school, the objections were swiftly silenced.
    If snooty purebloods would swallow their pride at the prospect of their kids not attending Hogwarts at all, it seems safe to assume that they're all of the opinion that the best education for their spawnlings is at Hogwarts, not at home with a tutor. Why is this relevant? Based on this, I would assume that all who can afford to educate their children at Hogwarts would, tutors would only be hired for anomalies who either couldn't attend for special reasons or have a very eccentric parent. Consequently, I wouldn't imagine there'd be a safety net for them as they'd be very few and far between in numbers and the only other kids who'd want to take examinations at a later date are those who couldn't afford Hogwarts but we all know how the VE treated the poor.

    Now there is the Wizarding Examinations Authority which we have on our occupations list. As Dante pointed out, standard testing wasn't really a thing. I feel like this prooobably shouldn't exist yet because their only job would be OWLs and NEWTs once a year and that's something Hogwarts could moderate itself as it does with the end of year tests they do in years 1-4 and it would probably be more fitting for the era that way.

    Alternately it could start offering an aptitude test for those without OWLs/NEWTs to anyone who wants to pay for it. The resulting test would probably have the prestige of high school qualifications vs. a uni degree when next to OWLs and NEWTs but maybe the Ministry could try to incentivize taking these tests by forcing certain departments to take on people with these qualifications (like the house elf relocation office not the DMLE). It could be a money making scheme under the guise of helping the less fortunate.
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    #15
    Depending on whether or not Kwikspell is a thing yet or not, I imagined that people who takes the courses they offer and get good results could take their O.W.L.S. and even N.E.W.T.S. 

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    #16
    Kwikspell exists as a massive money grab and doesn't educate beyond a second year level!

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